WTF!? 13 Suicide Attempts, 10 Successful in China iPhone Factory!

+1 vote
asked Jul 9, 2010 by r0bErT4u (30,999 points)
[***WTF!? 13 Suicide Attempts, 10 Successful in China iPhone Factory!***][1]

***Will you continue to buy Apple, Inc. products if they are made by workers in dangerous working conditions?***

![alt text][2]

Please don't change the question.  I only used the China Factories as an example, so let me rephrase.

***If Apple, Inc. products were made in sweat shops, by workers (significant child labor) putting in 12-hours/daily, 7-days/week, and compensated poorly ... Will you continue to buy Apple, Inc.?***

  [1]: http://bit.ly/c2CjhG
  [2]: http://caveviews.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341bffd953ef0133f038b514970b-800wi
commented Jul 9, 2010 by Seb (2,267 points)
I stopped buying from Apple, Inc before I bought from them.
commented Jul 9, 2010 by AppleHack23 (3,711 points)
I think you just hate Apple period.
commented Jul 9, 2010 by r0bErT4u (30,999 points)
HATE is such a strong word.  I like & own some Apple, Inc. products & stock ... but I refuse to blindly follow the propaganda & hype that's excreted from the bowels of Apple, Inc.
commented Jul 9, 2010 by Dark Avenger (1,205 points)
Worth it ! sorry if this sound racist and slavery but is their choice to work for apple and to suicide themselves
commented Aug 5, 2010 by sulljason (2,366 points)
If there are uneducated they don't have a choice. The Chinese government is very oppressive so I doubt they even care that this happened.

11 Answers

0 votes
answered Jul 9, 2010 by ageekmom (8,411 points)
Not to diminish the lives lost, but this is kinda old news. Wikipedia has a page on the factory with a mention of the suicides and working conditions. It's not just Apple iProducts that are produced there, by the way --
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Employee_suicides_and_deaths>

For a study in statistics, however, this is the article you should read -- "**Media gets its facts wrong - working at Foxconn significantly cuts suicide risk**" (<http://www.zdnet.com/blog/foremski/media-gets-its-facts-wrong-working-at-foxconn-significantly-cuts-suicide-risk/1356>) which states:

> Taiwanese-owned Foxconn has had seven
> suicides this year. That sounds like a
> lot, but the firm has an estimated
> 800,000 workers, more than 300,000 of
> them at a single plant in Shenzhen.
>
> Although exact figures are hard to
> come by, even the most conservative
> estimate for China’s suicide rate is
> 14 per 100,000 per year (World Health
> Organization). In other words,
> Foxconn’s suicide epidemic is actually
> lower than China’s national average of
> suicides.
>
> **Working at Foxconn dramatically reduces people’s risk of suicide!**
commented Jul 9, 2010 by catchatyou (97,380 points)
Steve Jobs mentioned something about this at D8 right?
+3 votes
answered Jul 9, 2010 by AppleHack23 (3,711 points)
No, nobody is forcing Foxconn workers to commit suicide, Foxconn is a factory in China, highly supervised and very strict to make sure products come out good. Foxconn and Apple are two different companies. Foxconn is a major supplier for most US companies. So if you're going to stop buying from Apple, I guess you're going to have to stop buying from HP, Dell, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, Motorola, Nokia, the Amazon Kindle, and Cisco as well.
commented Jul 9, 2010 by StigJensen (206 points)
NOT true...   more companies buys from ASUS than from foxconn
commented Jul 9, 2010 by AppleHack23 (3,711 points)
The companies I listed don't.
commented Jul 9, 2010 by StigJensen (206 points)
yes, HP uses ASUS, and I really don't know about DELL these days but they also used asus
commented Jul 9, 2010 by Josh_M (2,661 points)
The Foxconn factories are extremely strict and have terrible working condition for terrible pay. It doesn't surprise me that this happened. There is also a story about a man that was working for 36 hours straight and at the end of his shift he came back to his dorm (which are located on the Foxconn facilities) and died. He was a young man with no medical problems but when you stress a persons body enough, bad stuff happens. This happened in the middle of all of the suicides too.
commented Jul 9, 2010 by AppleHack23 (3,711 points)
Foxconn can't stop them from saying "I quit!".
commented Jul 9, 2010 by AppleHack23 (3,711 points)
StigJensen I think you need to do some more research, both of those companies that you mentioned use Foxconn.
0 votes
answered Jul 9, 2010 by StigJensen (206 points)
It's very sad that the world have come to this, and it's really sad to live in a world where a litte crappy "%" sign on a piece of paper have the power to kill people.
0 votes
answered Jul 9, 2010 by Seb (2,267 points)
It's not just Foxconn or Apple in China. They have **no** public OH&S scheme there. Check this out:

![Chinese welding helment][1]

![Air conditioner installation][2]

![Angle grinding facemask][3]


  [1]: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xM6S1O620QE/SYhqs2zmtDI/AAAAAAAAGGM/xRfhBpDENKc/s400/Chinese+Welding+Helmet.bmp

[2]: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xM6S1O620QE/SYhqmHMcmOI/AAAAAAAAGF8/q-X4o9dGMMo/s400/Air+Conditioner+Installation.bmp

  [3]: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xM6S1O620QE/SYhqWkp7XhI/AAAAAAAAGFk/b790uO6vukc/s400/The+Grinder.bmp
commented Jul 9, 2010 by Seb (2,267 points)
The other pics didn't show up. Yes, that guy is using clingwrap for a facemask when he's angle grinding.
+2 votes
answered Aug 5, 2010 by r0bErT4u (30,999 points)
New Article > [***Foxconn Installs Anti-Suicide Nets at Its Facilities***][1]

![alt text][2] ![alt text][3]

***That's one way to address the problem.** {Can you detect the sarcasm?}*


  [1]: http://www.dailytech.com/Foxconn+Installs+AntiSuicide+Nets+at+Its+Facilities/article18877.htm
  [2]: http://images.dailytech.com/frontpage/fp__Jumper.png
  [3]: http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/15384_Foxconn_Suicide_Nets.jpg
commented Aug 5, 2010 by sulljason (2,366 points)
With all that machinery in the factory there are plenty of other ways people could kill them selves more effectivly then jumping out a 3-4th story window. I vote for this was a publicity stunt to get people off there backs.
0 votes
answered Aug 5, 2010 by ronknights (266 points)
Other countries have different laws.

We can't force other countries to adopt our own legal standards.

I hope one day they're more enlightened.

Foxcon provides components to many computer companies.

Are you going to boycott the entire computer industry?!
commented Aug 5, 2010 by r0bErT4u (30,999 points)
Don't kill the messenger ... just another fyi
commented Aug 5, 2010 by sulljason (2,366 points)
Weather they have different customs or not there should be something done about people killing themselves. I do not approve of us running around shoving our western ideal on to people but some should be universal.
0 votes
answered Aug 5, 2010 by samiam2013 (466 points)
meh. I say it's not my problem and there's a lot more worry about in the us right now. Have you heard about the gulf lately? or are you going to find out about it in a month and ask people what they think about it on lockergnome?
commented Aug 5, 2010 by sulljason (2,366 points)
The Gulf spill is important but so is people being worked to death so they commit scuicide.
0 votes
answered Aug 5, 2010 by Matthew B (1,336 points)
Not to be mean but truthfully I really don't care. Sorry but thats what I feel. Yes I will continue to buy Apple products.
+1 vote
answered Aug 5, 2010 by sulljason (2,366 points)
Why are so many people saying they don't care? That bothers me what if a factory in the U.S.A. was secretly working people like they do in China and workers committed scuicide because of that there would be an up roar. "But China they're from a different country so I don't care I just want my cheaply made crap." (sarcasm)
commented Aug 6, 2010 by AlanStryder (2,031 points)
Yes.  Western apathy can be appalling.
0 votes
answered Aug 6, 2010 by Mark Devens (1,746 points)
They must justt be sick of the iPhones. :) I know I would be.
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