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and yes, I like Windows Vista. It's Windows 7 with a different GUI with some driver updates. The kernel is the same.

So Windows 7 is basically the same OS as Vista?

asked Feb 09 '11 at 17:29

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Luke oX

Anyone who tells you that Windows 7 is just "Windows Vista with a facelift" is the same guy who runs 32-bit Windows XP Home on a quad-core PC with 8 GB of RAM. In other words, they don't know what they're talking about.

On the other hand, unless you get a nice deal on Windows 7, it's not worth doing an in-place upgrade over Vista. It's definitely worth upgrading to from XP, but don't get me wrong - it's much better than Windows Vista, and definitely a lot better than XP.

Oh, and Office 2010 owns bones on Windows 7.

answered Feb 09 '11 at 18:51

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edited Feb 09 '11 at 19:45


You had me until you said "...definitely a lot better than XP."

(Feb 09 '11 at 18:56) zman zman's gravatar image

I'm familiar with Office 2010 ...... when did 2011 come out?

(Feb 09 '11 at 19:00) David David's gravatar image

I agree that it's much better than XP, in every way possible.

(Feb 09 '11 at 19:30) Alekz Alekz's gravatar image

David, it's a secret version of Office for cool people.

zman, have you even tried Windows 7?

(Feb 09 '11 at 19:46) Victor Victor's gravatar image

yes Victor, I have used Windows 7 dor a few months in one instance and I hate it, it's absolute crap

(Feb 09 '11 at 20:42) zman zman's gravatar image

Then how did you get it?

(Feb 09 '11 at 20:54) David David's gravatar image

My parents' computer had it.

(Feb 09 '11 at 21:00) zman zman's gravatar image


(Feb 09 '11 at 21:19) Alekz Alekz's gravatar image

Alekz, I agree. I prefer Windows 7 to XP in every possible way. It could be because I was ready for something new and Vista was such a let down.

(Feb 09 '11 at 21:23) David David's gravatar image

Alekz, it's pure bloat and I know because my XP machine with 512mb ram runs faster than it and it has 4gb ram.

(Feb 09 '11 at 21:32) zman zman's gravatar image

With that way of thinking you could say XP is pure bloat in comparison to Windows 98 because a machine with 64 MB of RAM with 98 runs faster.

David: I never had any serious issues with Vista (used it for 3 years) although I agree it wasn't much of an upgrade from XP. But now I've been using Win7 a lot and I can see that they revamped the OS in every little detail possible. It's much more stable, prettier (if you can afford the eyecandy), has great little features like jumplists or recent documents in the recent programs start menu.

(Feb 09 '11 at 21:56) Alekz Alekz's gravatar image

@zman: Really??? Got four GBs of ram in my laptop and it runs excilent. Much better than one of my desktops with a Intel Core 2 Duo and only two GBs of ram running Windows XP. And that machine has a four month old Windows install on it. How cna you say Windows 7 is bloated. Now, I know that my laptop has a faster processor but it your story stands true the XP machine should be faster, but it is not...

(Feb 09 '11 at 21:58) TheTechDude TheTechDude's gravatar image

Win Xp has better features and usability than Win 98 and it has better features and usability than Win 7.

(Feb 09 '11 at 21:59) zman zman's gravatar image

Ok name features that XP has that Win7 doesn't have. Because I can name some that Win7 has that XP doesn't: Jumplists, better home networking, enhanced start menu (search, etc.) and better user level management (you're no longer always admin, and that's a good thing for security). Everything that XP does Win7 does better, heck, Win7 even lets you use "XP Mode", I just can't understand why you hate it so much without solid arguments.

(Feb 09 '11 at 22:34) Alekz Alekz's gravatar image

WinXP has the Classic Start Menu and Classic Search(more custom), it logs on faster per memory than 7, it doesn't make you wait longer with things like not making you an Admin by default and it can run programs written for XP(the majority of programs) properly. All of these things and more, 7 can't do. Win7's start menu is far from enhanced, far from secure, has horrible home networking and basically, everything that XP does, Win7 does worse if not at all. I just can't understand why you love it so much without solid arguments.

(Feb 09 '11 at 22:48) zman zman's gravatar image

Can windows XP run programs designed for Windows 7??? Right, most it can't...then give one good reason why a new operating system should run programs designed for a Operating system wrote back in 2000...Things evolve and you cant expect the entire workd to wait while you live in your XP land. I certainly hope the Windows XP is better than 98 it would be newer... Windows 7 doesn't log on faster than XP. XPs logon takes forever compared to 7. And part of your argument was that Windows XP can run programs designed for Windows XP...I would hope so....Windows 7 can run programs designed for Widnows 7 as well. What a weird idea....

(Feb 09 '11 at 22:55) TheTechDude TheTechDude's gravatar image

Most programs are written for XP so I and almost every school and organization would not be interested in the ability to run programs written for 7. 7 won't ever evolve because it's crap and part of that crap is it's eternal log on compared to XP. I speak from months and years of experience, how about you, TheTechDude? I don't know how a 14 year old could possibly have much experience so maybe you should not be the one talking.

(Feb 09 '11 at 23:01) zman zman's gravatar image

"7 won't ever evolve because it's crap", OK you know what I'm out if this discussion because you're getting childish with comments like these. Age has nothing to do with TheTechDude knowing something. Have it your way man, XP rules and stuff :P

(Feb 10 '11 at 00:11) Alekz Alekz's gravatar image

Age has to do with experience and goodbye Alekz, have fun with your crap OS.

(Feb 10 '11 at 01:48) zman zman's gravatar image

I love how Windows XP requires you to put in a floppy disk with your hard drive controller drivers if you're installing it on a RAID volume. So advanced!

(Feb 10 '11 at 02:37) Victor Victor's gravatar image

OMG Victor, that's right, you wouldn't want to go through the incredibly hard task of inserting a floppy disk.

(Feb 10 '11 at 02:51) zman zman's gravatar image

Who still has floopy drives???

@zman I have been helpIng people fix their computer problems for the past 5 years.

@Alexz: he becomes childish in every discussion he starts here. He runs out of good arugemnets to go his way and he goes to just verbally "attacking"(don't know how else to word it) other people.

(Feb 10 '11 at 06:56) TheTechDude TheTechDude's gravatar image

I have a floppy drive and you can buy one for dirt cheap that connects via usb. I've been helping people fix computers way longer than 5 years so you really shouldn't be talking and you especially shouldn't be saying I verbally attack people because you responded to me talking to Alekz not you. I think your just butthurt that i'm right and you can only make your ego happy with your little buddies upvoting your comments for you so you look popular. If you don't want to be "verbally attacked" or as I would call it, defending my position, then don't get into a conversation you were never a part of.

(Feb 10 '11 at 13:04) zman zman's gravatar image

You has spent time attacking me and Alexz rather than defending your postion. Your reason that you are right it because you are older. That is so far your only proof. Let us know when you have a good reason.

(Feb 10 '11 at 16:45) TheTechDude TheTechDude's gravatar image

Your not exactly quoting what i'm saying are you? Me being older means I have more experience than you which gives my statements more validity not that what I say is right per say. I am not attacking anybody. I am responding to your comments in which you are "attacking" me by accusing my statement of being flawed or wrong. If you read my comments in full instead of just skipping through them for parts you can challenge, you would see my proof.

(Feb 10 '11 at 17:01) zman zman's gravatar image

" I don't know how a 14 year old could possibly have much experience so maybe you should not be the one talking." YOu are directly saying that becuase I am yonger I should not be talking. That is what it says.

(Feb 10 '11 at 17:04) TheTechDude TheTechDude's gravatar image

@zman, I am getting really sick of you and your immature behaviour.

You claim to be older than us, maybe act it.

(Feb 10 '11 at 17:09) Tim Fontana Tim%20Fontana's gravatar image

I'll act how I like and how I am acting is perfectly fine. It absolutely shows your immaturity that you are frustrated by a conversation over the internet. If you don't like me then don't provoke a comment from me or better yet, go to a website where people aren't allowed to comment against a stupid belief. Perhaps Disney.com would be more up your alley.

(Feb 10 '11 at 17:20) zman zman's gravatar image

@zman, perhaps you are the one that should look for a diffrent website.... How you are acting is fine to you but I agree with Tim in saying that you are not acting the age you claim to be...

I have had enough of this....

(Feb 10 '11 at 17:23) TheTechDude TheTechDude's gravatar image

Nope, i'm gonna stay here. Deal with it. Maybe, go complain to Kat and get me banned, that'll probably satisfy your ego and you can continue to get everything you want in your youth so your screwed when you turn 18.

(Feb 10 '11 at 17:28) zman zman's gravatar image

You're saying yourself that you should be banned haha dude come on just chill. We don't care if you're 50 years old and you were born with a keyboard and a mouse instead of feet, your opinion instantly becomes void when you say things like "I'm older so I'm right you're wrong". And yeah I commented again, so sue me lol. So how old are you, 91? 19? I'm 23 and I'm not afraid to say it in my profile.

(Feb 10 '11 at 18:13) Alekz Alekz's gravatar image

@Alexz: I am 14 and not afriad to say so. I just can't stand the people that assume that becuase I am 14 I can't be right or can do anything. Some of my clients that I help when their computer stops working were aprehensive when they fisrt meet me seeing that I am a "teen". But are very happy/surprised when I am able to fix their problem.

(Feb 10 '11 at 18:19) TheTechDude TheTechDude's gravatar image

I didn't say I should be banned. You should stop trying to twist what I say. I said that is what TechDude should do if he's so upset. I'm very chilled and this is very entertaining. I don't put my age or location or any other personal details not because i'm afraid but because i'm smart and choose not to leave a footprint to be tracked with. I know from TechDude's profile both his age and personal web page.

(Feb 10 '11 at 18:20) zman zman's gravatar image

How interseting is my personal website to you? I would not have posted it if I didn't want people to see it. I posted it so that I can get traffic to my site in hopes of getting visitors oncde I get something good going. Just wondering since I set it up and haven't changed anything in a few months. I am working on a new site that I am actually making rather than just using the webbuilder Microsoft has.

(Feb 10 '11 at 18:25) TheTechDude TheTechDude's gravatar image

I don't care what your site is. The point is I know the site belongs to you which is more I know about you that you don't know about me.

(Feb 10 '11 at 18:29) zman zman's gravatar image

I don't really care what you know about me. YOu can't use my age and website to do anything so I'm not worried.

(Feb 10 '11 at 18:31) TheTechDude TheTechDude's gravatar image

You keep thinking that and i'll keep watching you.

(Feb 10 '11 at 18:37) zman zman's gravatar image

OMG! pedobear XD jk jk

(Feb 10 '11 at 18:44) Alekz Alekz's gravatar image

Ahhhhhh!!!! What will I do????? haha..... (that was quite creepy by the way...)

(Feb 10 '11 at 18:46) TheTechDude TheTechDude's gravatar image

you wish retard

(Feb 10 '11 at 18:47) zman zman's gravatar image

internet tough guy. cute.

(Feb 10 '11 at 22:56) Victor Victor's gravatar image

"internet tough guy. cute." That was so cute that you could come up with that statement. When do you turn 3 years old again?

(Feb 11 '11 at 00:08) zman zman's gravatar image

sit in your corner, youngin.

(Feb 11 '11 at 04:54) Victor Victor's gravatar image

learn how to spell, retard!!!

(Feb 11 '11 at 12:20) zman zman's gravatar image

Zman, you need to stop calling people disrespectful names. We have standards on this site, act mature. This will be your last and only warning.

(Feb 11 '11 at 16:17) Alastor Moody ♦♦ Alastor%20Moody's gravatar image


Were you here long enough to remeber Seb? Great guy, massive knowledge base, but arrogant, like you. He's gone now, great loss, but it had to be done.

I don't see why you need to hide yourself and your age. This is generally a nice friendly community. Every now and then, we get the odd asshole...

and this is for everyone here. The point of this site is for people to get their questions answered. It is not a forum for trolls to argue about 'noobz' and 'Apple vs. Microsoft' This sort of question really dilutes the true essence of this site, and there are far too many of them.

(Feb 11 '11 at 16:21) Tim Fontana Tim%20Fontana's gravatar image

"pedobear ", "internet tough guy", "youngin", i've been called all of these names and the only name I used was retard!

(Feb 11 '11 at 16:22) zman zman's gravatar image

Okay, Tim, this comment trail is so long, I don't know how many of the comments were deleted or stayed and I don't know who's gonna post next but this started as it always does with TechDude interrupting a peaceful debate between me and another user with a bunch of accusations against me. I'm not for violence or attacking anyone but I do like to defend myself when i'm accused of something. If you want to ban me, go ahead, i'll never come back but i'm not being an asshole. I even gave evidence for my point. I'm not trolling and this wasn't even "Apple vs Microsoft". It was XP vs 7. Maybe you all should just wake up to the fact that this site is ruled by the mob. Whoever's opinion is the most accepted is who gets the other person attacked, downvoted, or banned. So perhaps now I will be banned and you will all continue to play this game but don't worry, I won't be like Seb and troll and DOS the site, i'll just go somewhere else.

(Feb 11 '11 at 16:32) zman zman's gravatar image
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I've been using Windows 7 for about 2 months now and NO, Vista was an awful awful POS that should of never have been made.. it was flawed from the start.

I'm so happy with Windows 7, I have to slap MS on the back even though I will be moving into the Apple world soon when they finally release the new refresh of the iMac, but I can install windows 7 on it and have the best of both worlds.

Sorry I kinda add info when its not needed.

answered Feb 09 '11 at 18:03

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You could say that. One of the big thing pushing Windows 7 right now is the lighter/smaller footprint. When you start it up, it only starts what it needs to bring up the desktop. As long you keep your registry clean, it will remain fast and clean.

Here's some of the benchmark testing from the first announcement. Maybe this will help.

answered Feb 09 '11 at 17:32

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edited Feb 09 '11 at 17:40

No, it's not the same, if it was the same my screen would be loaded w/ errors I had w/ software in Vista. Windows 7 is a new OS, we can also put it as an updated ver of Vista.

answered Feb 09 '11 at 17:33

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No, Windows Vista is based on XP, but Windows 7 was made from scratch. Thats why you can run most XP programs in Vista but less will work in Windows 7. Though Windows 7 still uses code found in Vista.

answered Feb 09 '11 at 17:39

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Windows 7 is not made from scratch. "From scratch" is when you start a new codebase and don't import any old code. Windows 7 still runs tons of old code, going all the way back to Windows 3.x. Windows 7 took the previous version and made a bunch of changes to it, just like every other version ever made. That's how software versions work.

I write software for a living; I have some idea what I'm talking about.

(Feb 09 '11 at 21:48) tsilb tsilb's gravatar image

Windows 7 way better a lot! compared to Vista. As I always hear about vista "The Ram Eater". Vista had a lot of RAM usage issues which isn't longer on Windows 7, but TBH till now I don't like how Windows 7 consumes the ram, it is still a lot but much better than Vista at least.

answered Feb 10 '11 at 12:25

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No, no, funawelkrvwovjnwlkv no.

Vista was made from scratch, 7 was based on the kernel of an earlier Windows 2k.

answered Feb 09 '11 at 17:33

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Billy Aoki

Design and appearance is similar, but it solves compability issues and Hardware issues too

answered Feb 09 '11 at 17:37

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I would say that Win7 is much more than Vista with a UI tweak. Performance and boot times have been greatly improved, as well as TRIM support for compatible SSDs. They've also remade the security settings so that (compared to Vista) the system is just as secure, but doesn't constantly prevent you from using some legitimate programs. I also love the native mp4 audio/video codec support and wide variety of drivers included into the OS.

answered Feb 11 '11 at 15:42

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