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I'm looking at the T-Mobile coverage map right to see what's up with my service as T-Mobile informed me via text that they were putting up new cell towers for the 1900mhz (YES! 3G for my iPhone, let's get it!). I saw that there were new towers 10-20 miles away from me, so that equals to excellent service. Sadly, I zoom out of the NYC-Newark-Bridgeport metro area and pan over to the western states and their service is spotty at best for 3G/4G smartphones, and a bit better for 2G Voice. How far do cell towers reach, and why doesn't T-Mobile erect more towers for the people in Montana, South Dakota, Idaho, Washington?

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asked Jul 18 '12 at 13:16

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edited Jul 28 '12 at 15:41

(Jul 18 '12 at 13:16) DJ Scooby Doo DJ%20Scooby%20Doo's gravatar image

Edited 28/7/12 with picture of the exact places of the T-Mobile towers in the NYC area.

http://www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php?city=new%20york&state_abr=ny

(Jul 28 '12 at 15:42) DJ Scooby Doo DJ%20Scooby%20Doo's gravatar image

for all the talk about 2g , 3g, 4g signal there is really no such thing that number letter combo is a measurement of how throttled your data connection is has nothing to do with how well or poor the single is busy or other ways no matter how fast or slow your recive or send it all still only goes as well as the raidio signal its all riding on ..

cellular service is nothing more then an FM radio signal an area agreed and set aside in the ham 2 and 6 meter band .. the signal you receive is determined purely by how near to a repeater or tower you are and the quality of the receiver selectivity some are way way better then others just like you got it some radio have better receivers then other and give you better reception and sound less static ans hiss ..

the power and modulation on the tower and phone is set very tiny (little) because everyone who has ever played with radio know what happens when more then one person try to talk on the same channel at the same time you just get a lot of screeching and noise make 2 trying to use the same channel to thousands at the same time, even though it is on FM when there is modulation there is carrier the more modulated the more power behind the carrier ..

all the boosting is done in the processing center to make audio boosted so voice can be heard :) and so yes pretty much screaming in your cell phone so some one can hear you better does NO good what so ever it only comes out on the other end as loud as the audio volume is set when the digital signal is converted to audio ..

as I understand it some companies now provide a fake dial tone because older people using them got confused they are no real cell phones cant have a dial tone because the modulation would mess up the whole system ...

anyone who has ever used radio know what squelch is , its used to quit white noise while there is no active useful communication, phone numbers are the code that turns squelch off on a cell phone some one dials your number squelch goes off your phone rings you answer have a conversation hang up squelch is reactivated ..

any how bottom line in order to make cell service work in a small frequency range for millions of paying users it has to work with a low power as possible on a very quite low noise system the more noise the more lost data equals lost calls text and packets ..

answered Jul 18 '12 at 14:45

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edited Jul 18 '12 at 15:00

So if it's an FM signal, could it be possible that T-Mobile could've turned on the 1900mhz spectrum a long time ago?

(Jul 18 '12 at 15:05) DJ Scooby Doo DJ%20Scooby%20Doo's gravatar image

what happens is just this each company can use different frequincys for your phone to get the message to the tower or repeater it the tower has to use the assigned frequency like a radio station to get your sent signal from tower to tower this also cuts down congestion ..

the government try to keep signals from one thing from causing issues with another think of all the other services that use radio in communities not only can a cell phone transmit on the same ones it can not transmit on one that harmonics can reflect into them .. the phone them selves usually transmit in the GHZ range today other wise they interfere with cable routers emergency calls emergency emitters pagers yes pager are still used big time in emergency service ems ..

they have changed the way cell service works a bit from the early days its a bit more privite now you use to be able to listen in on any cell call with a scanner not so easy today though home cordless phones can be better for spying then the old fashion party lines from the 60s :)

(Jul 18 '12 at 15:23) jadtechnic jadtechnic's gravatar image

Ah, so that's why T-Mobile deployed the 1900mhz in places like Nevada where it's vast and arid because of the desert. Makes sense now.

(Jul 18 '12 at 15:37) DJ Scooby Doo DJ%20Scooby%20Doo's gravatar image

Like every radio signal transmitted, it all depends on what kind of transmitter power they are allowed to use on a certain location and the hight of the tower. Every location have their own set of rules and at some locations it isn't allowed to build towers...

Plus is the line of sight clear of buildings and other interferences? The more (high) buildings surrounding the transmitter site, the more power they have to use to get a clear signal out...

answered Jul 18 '12 at 13:26

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I'm wondering what kind of tower can they build in an already crowded metro area, since I'm seeing 1 in Downtown Manhattan. Is it like some sort of satellite dish?

(Jul 18 '12 at 13:30) DJ Scooby Doo DJ%20Scooby%20Doo's gravatar image

Plus in NYC, barely anyone has line of clear sight as the buildings are so compacted together. In my living room I have 4-5 bars and I'm facing a brick wall to the east, and another apartment to the west. GSM is up there with coverage, but CDMA is lacking horribly when you use it here.

(Jul 18 '12 at 13:42) DJ Scooby Doo DJ%20Scooby%20Doo's gravatar image

http://i.imgur.com/Bks0v.png <----- Living room, right now.

(Jul 18 '12 at 13:48) DJ Scooby Doo DJ%20Scooby%20Doo's gravatar image

In crowded areas, they would be better of with smaller transmitter sites, closer together. Although it's always better to have a free line of sight, which is hardly possible in crowded areas, they don't have to find the highest points everywhere. Smaller sites, closer to each other will work just as fine...

2G signals are always better than 3G, especially in crowded areas. I use T-Mobile myself in Holland and even in my town, which hardly can be described as crowded, I'll notice 3G signals drops when I'm entering certain buildings.

I wouldn't be surprised if T-Mobile would build (more) smaller sites soon in your area...

(Jul 18 '12 at 13:57) TheDutchGuy TheDutchGuy's gravatar image

I know in brooklyn they look like several thin computer towers ontop of buildings, and where is your gravatar @Dj_Scooby_DOO

(Jul 18 '12 at 13:59) pjob797 pjob797's gravatar image

I changed my email, since I don't use my Yahoo anymore. Gravitar is slow in changing the pictures.

(Jul 18 '12 at 14:05) DJ Scooby Doo DJ%20Scooby%20Doo's gravatar image

I know 2G/GPRS/GSM is superior in rural places too because I know in the Dominican Republic, Orange Dominicana (Orange, my carrier of choice abroad if possible) covers 95-98% of the country in GSM/GPRS and only 60% in 3G and an abysmal 2% in 4G LTE (only in Santo Domingo, Santiago (close to there :)) and Bavaro for the time being).

According to this: http://www.orange.com.do/web/guest/cobertura, http://www.orange.com.do/web/guest/4g, and my own experiences in the country.

(Jul 18 '12 at 14:55) DJ Scooby Doo DJ%20Scooby%20Doo's gravatar image
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i single cell tower has a patternof no more the 15 to 20 miles depend on surounding and elevation that is not to say 20 miles line of site think of the range of haveing 4 sides that would be a 5 mile range .. towers can and do usually have repeaters to extend there range much farther so there is a need for far less towers ..

towers can be on top of tall buildings in large citys and repeaters can be place way less noticable then can even share space on pole attached to signal lights in intersections, the signal from a tower must at least have one path to the next util it can get to a processing center where every thing is tied in to a phone lines calls and texts and all go through the same lines all land line calls and data goes so yes if you have a cell phone and a land line at home and you call your home from your cell or the other way around you pay double time to call your self :)

answered Jul 18 '12 at 13:58

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edited Jul 18 '12 at 14:04

towns with bad cell phone signals have mshot them self in the foot by out lawing any tower being built specailly if its 50 mile to the next largest town that is way to far to depend on cell signal fumes so to speak anything more then 10 miles is questionable ..

(Jul 18 '12 at 14:08) jadtechnic jadtechnic's gravatar image

I know in the Dominican Republic, these towers are HUGE and powered to the extreme, for Orange Dominicana, I've always been in GSM/GPRS/EDGE/3G range even in places that are greyed out in the Google Maps, lmao.

(Jul 18 '12 at 15:04) DJ Scooby Doo DJ%20Scooby%20Doo's gravatar image

they vary all over the world regulations for radio but no mater how neat and modern the technology we use today seem the principles have not changed since we discover how to harness and make it work :)

100 or more years ago its the same tech just used with a new twist

(Jul 18 '12 at 15:14) jadtechnic jadtechnic's gravatar image

^Lmaoo! I'm happy that the Dominican is finally getting some real 4G instead of the "4G" we call here for T-Mobile (HSPA+). When I go back, I'll be sure to take a device and I expect my 10-20 down. Cultural diffusion, what a trip.

(Jul 18 '12 at 15:17) DJ Scooby Doo DJ%20Scooby%20Doo's gravatar image
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Last updated: Jul 28 '12 at 15:42