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It's campaign season in the US and, being into politics, I've been following it closely from before the first candidates put themselves forward in the primaries. One of the obvious points that you hear now and again during discussions about Obama and his record is the impact of him being the first black president of the US and what kind of impact that has had on the cultural divides in America. Another thing that has come up now and again is when the first hispanic president will come about; although Romney is half Mexican, he hardly embraces the culture so few, I think, would consider him the first hispanic president of the US should he win the upcoming election. But nowhere do I see anyone asking when the first native American president will come into office. Surely, given the history of the US and the treatment of the native Americans, it would be just as significant as having the first black or hispanic president -- so why is no one asking this question?

asked Sep 04 '12 at 10:58

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all presidents are native american ..

answered Sep 04 '12 at 11:21

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That's a good one!

(Sep 04 '12 at 22:20) TheAnnoyingLife TheAnnoyingLife's gravatar image

There's actually debate on that.

(Sep 05 '12 at 17:18) ClosetFuturist ClosetFuturist's gravatar image

@mutley2209 Romney is in NO way even a modicum of Mexican! His grandparents were missionaries who fled the US and entered Mexico to escape anti-polygamy laws. Quit being feeble-minded and racist, and learn to do thorough research before making hasty claims!

answered Sep 04 '12 at 22:28

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feeble minded and racist? Romney is of Mexican decent through his father (born in Mexico) and when convenient for him he emphasises this link however when it can work against him and his rather extreme immigration stance he quickly ignores or disavows such connections. Hence my statement that "although Romney is half Mexican he hardly embraces the culture so few i think would consider him the first hispanic president of the US should he win the upcoming election" which is quite true and backed up by polling where he's in the 80's for unfavorability among hispanic voters.

And so at what point is that feeble minded of or racist? I would quite like an apology for or a retraction both of which a moderator should be asking for especially since the remark has been left up for some time.

(Sep 05 '12 at 10:40) mutley2209 mutley2209's gravatar image

@mutley2209 I'm done with this! Why do people like you feel so compelled to place such a large emphasis on race. It doesn't matter! While racism may exist, it ultimately doesn't limit anyone because the United States is much, much bigger and more opportunistic than that and I am very proud to be able to call myself an American. People who place so much importance on a person's race rather than what he or she can contribute are ignorant.

(Sep 05 '12 at 18:02) TheAnnoyingLife TheAnnoyingLife's gravatar image

That not a very intelligible answer, you've mistaken for a second time a question in relation to race to be somehow racist, the fact being that the history of the US has been very divided because of racial tension leading to deferring circumstances in which people of differing races have been treated and how they live even today to a degree. So asking when the first Native American president will be is asking how has America changed since they were forced onto ever shrinking reservations and what are the prospects of those communities is today. It helps put into context how far the US has come socio-economicly that in one, racial undertones are on the decline and two, that people no matter what their skin colour have an equal opportunity in life be it in the work place or having access to higher education.

If you don't know then don't answer then look for one or don't bother, answering with blanket accusations of racism when a question in relation to race and when you clearly do not understand the question even when explained further is as you say, feeble minded and ignorant. If i were to ask when the US will have it's first female president will i be accused of sexism? No, i'd get an intelligent answer and an idea of who that person may be and how perceptions of the office have changed.

I am again asking for an apology or retraction from you or for a moderator to take action.

(Sep 05 '12 at 18:43) mutley2209 mutley2209's gravatar image

PAUSE. Romney isn't Latino to me, or many Latinos. He actually wants to STRENGTHEN immigration laws. Most latinos want to come to the US, however if Romney was elected as president, I guarantee you that most of us would move to Canada.

I am Latino, so this is NO WAY racist to me. So, shuuut up.

(Nov 11 '12 at 16:58) DJ Scooby Doo DJ%20Scooby%20Doo's gravatar image

The race or origin of a person shouldn't matter when electing them. It's how well they can run a country. Race doesn't and shouldn't matter - it's who they are that counts.

answered Sep 05 '12 at 11:32

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agreed however of course people still make those distinctions and when there's been centuries of division between one culture/race and another to get to the point where we're truly moving past that is something that matters. Obama wouldn't have been elected fifty years ago so it shows a change in the country for the better, i'm hoping the same would be said when there's a Hispanic, Asian or Native American president that it means there's positive change in the country where anyone can indeed be president regardless of race not something that would happen in America of old. But the question in relation to Native Americans is also meant to touch on how the majority relate to the rest of America today and the government.

For example i'm British but i consider myself Welsh first mainly because growing up we had very little contact with the English and we have a strong national identity here, this changes as you get older of course and one day i may identify myself in the opposite way. But i'm wondering if it's same for the majority of Native Americans given there's been a history of ostracising them from the rest of society with broken promises and that they have a strong cultural identity that emphasis preserving their heritage. Has it lead to a lack of interest in engaging with politics on a state or federal level or has it had the opposite effect where they encourage each other to be active so they're represented properly?

(Sep 05 '12 at 11:54) mutley2209 mutley2209's gravatar image

Because the question is irrelevant and ill conceived. The whole process has become a soap opera or a reality show and in some cases an imagination porno. So little is done that little is expected. "It is generally not taken seriously". The majority does not vote and does not trust or respect the government. That is why I think these kinds of questions come up.

answered Sep 04 '12 at 11:26

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you didn't establish as to whether you are referring to Native American's or the general population when describing the general feeling towards politics in the US at this time (or at least your opinion as i'm sure others would differ).

(Sep 05 '12 at 10:46) mutley2209 mutley2209's gravatar image

1/3 of the population votes. Why do you think that is?

My opinion was expressed in the first sentence. The rest of the paragraph was support for my view.

(Sep 05 '12 at 17:31) ClosetFuturist ClosetFuturist's gravatar image

disenfranchised with the process, can't blame people for that, until money is out of politics virtually every issue is tainted by it and yes more people need to be encouraged to vote but also certain politicians need to stop infringing on those rights to vote, otherwise that number will shrink even further.

(Sep 05 '12 at 18:57) mutley2209 mutley2209's gravatar image

Don't know how old this thread is cause I can't make sense of the date format,but I gotta post this even if it's dated & considered a Rant.

I'm glad Mutley2209 asked this question & it's my opinion that,True Native Amerians seldom take part in American Politics(not to run or vote)But thats just what I see.However,the word "ostracized" perfectly describes the state of Americas True Natives. Not just physically,but also in regards to the American Political Machine.(albeit the latter is more of a self imposed ostracization). Personally,"I have absolutly nothng to do with it(American Political Machine).I personally feel that Our land is under Occupation & has beem for well over 200 years"But thats just how I see it.

I will say this. Even if no one else in this thread has the decency to. Mutley2209 has clearly educated/informed himself as to Americas candidates & political partys. He also shows intrest in True Native Americans(3 Traits,not all of us posters posses)including myself. I can't help but say it."There's a Poster here,who at the very least owes Mutley2209 a sincere apology & a retraction". Because Mutley2209 is 100% correct. It's true,Romney's a Mexican & it's way more than a Modicum. Hell it's even more than 47%,it's 50%" & anyone who watched Presidential Debates (I,II & III) in full,can tell you exactly which debate it was when Romney stood up in front of the World & stated,not that he was America Indian,Spanish,Cuban,Nicaraguan,Puerto Rican,El Salvadorian or Guatamalan,but Mexican.

Allow me in closing to ask, When a chick's part Hindu & White do you call her part Hindu ? If a Dude's part Irish & Black do you call him part Black? If an American Indian's part White do you call him part Indian? Hell no & I know this for a fact. How about if an Asian chick is half white do You call her part Asian? Hell no You don't,You call that chick every nite trying to get a date,cause them girls are hot as hell & You know this shit is true Dude.

Like it or not Romney's part Mexican,but don't forget,"Race don't matter rite" ?

answered Nov 11 '12 at 16:52

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found it quite odd that no one has even attempted to throw out a guess, if i were to ask when the first woman president could be 2016 will be an obvious and relevant answer and i doubt there would be any accusations of sexism. I'm interested in history including the history and culture of Native Americans especially since the mainstream only focuses on the time of armed conflict between them and the federal government. I don't know much about how life in the reservations was at the turn of the 20th century and how attitudes have changed or how much culture has survived and how it informs upon the decisions those communities make in regards to political action as culture can have a profound influence on such things no matter where you go. And so to ask this question is as important as the question of when the first black president would be? Not because race is an issue of something people should focus on because it's not, but because people have moved past such things at least enough to elect someone regardless of the colour of their skin. Something just as profound should a Native American be elected to office given the racial tension they have a victim of as well as their history with the federal government.

So a genuine question which no one has attempted to answer, at least not without being somewhat insulting :(

(Nov 11 '12 at 18:17) mutley2209 mutley2209's gravatar image

Alright listen. Romney isn't a TRUE Latino to most of us Latinos. A true Latino would stand up for us, and not try to STRENGTHEN the immigration laws. Latinos voted for Obama the most, according to the picture at the bottom. I'm not trying to get anyone all riled up, I just want to set the record straight from a Latino's point of view. A Latino who voted for Obama, not because everyone did, but because I believe in him. So what his dad's Mexican? I know people who were brought up by Latino parents and don't know anything about their culture at all. They can't speak Spanish, they don't even interact with Latinos. That's probably why the majority of Latinos didn't vote for him. He didn't make his voice heard in the Spanish market. All I saw on Telemundo and Univision were Obama ads, not Romney ads.

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answered Nov 11 '12 at 17:07

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hate to break it to you but Obama actually deports more immigrants than Bush ever did in fact he's broken records for the amount of people deported after expanding draconian Bush era policies on immigration 'change we can believe in' :/

(Nov 11 '12 at 17:54) mutley2209 mutley2209's gravatar image

Oh really? May I see proof of this?

(Nov 11 '12 at 18:14) DJ Scooby Doo DJ%20Scooby%20Doo's gravatar image

google deportation numbers, hit a record high by the end of 2009 :(

(Nov 11 '12 at 18:18) mutley2209 mutley2209's gravatar image

actually upon further reading the record was broken last year going beyond 2009 numbers and could reach similar figures for this year of about three hundred and ninety thousand people or perhaps higher again

(Nov 11 '12 at 18:25) mutley2209 mutley2209's gravatar image

Wasn't he trying to pass the Dream Act? So what's happening here? Republican bullshit, that's what.

(Nov 11 '12 at 18:30) DJ Scooby Doo DJ%20Scooby%20Doo's gravatar image

i'm hoping it wasn't electioneering as was evident during his first term where five Democrats blocked and this is when he had control of both the House and Senate for the first two years (or was it one year? i forget) where of course he could have pushed for it and make sure the whole party towed the line on the issue but instead, well, you've seen the numbers i assume. So i'd call it as a 'maybe' on the Dream Act, if it's not pushed now while he has leverage it'll get watered down later on or just outright blocked again, perhaps by some Democrats in the Senate, again :/

(Nov 11 '12 at 18:43) mutley2209 mutley2209's gravatar image

All you would have to do to show how Obama won is to show a pic of Romneys' mouth.

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