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How would you feel if Apple dictated the music | videos | movies you could & couldn't load on your iPod?

Let's not debate about Jailbreaking & Unlocking, which violates Apple's EULA.

I feel that the iPhones that we purchased with our hard earned money, are not truly ours. The facts are that Apple maintains ownership. Apple's ability to dictate the functionality of my applications angers me.

Here are some examples:

iPhone KillSwitch | If Apple dislikes an app (for whatever reason), they can remove it from your device using a killswitch function. Apple Tries To Patent KillSwitch That Detects Jailbreaks ...

Leaked: Apple Stealing All FaceTime Information, AT&T Locks Users via OTA Updates

iMovie Ported: Works Great on the iPhone 3GS

asked Jun 29 '10 at 15:07

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edited Dec 06 '10 at 11:15

To the lemmings, I guess we'll agree to disagree.

(Jun 29 '10 at 21:26) r0bErT4u r0bErT4u's gravatar image

Actually, Apple has no say whether or not you want to Jailbreak, they only try to cover exploits because they want everybody's device to be fast, and have better battery life, and get no viruses. Also, the new thing with location, and killswitches, is to protect you, and diagnose bugs that may be in iOS 4, since there werenno devs to test iOS 4 on an iPhone 4 before launch. The killswitch has never been used yet, but is good for removing apps that steal information. If you Jailbreak your device, you can disable the killswitch via SBSettings. Sorry that this message has been short, and maybe not the best detailed, it is because I'm typing on an iPhone.

answered Jun 29 '10 at 21:47

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I believe that most people enjoy Apple's products because they "control" so many aspects of their products while other companies are more about "freedom." It used to offend me when I first discovered this realization since freedom is a high ranking value in the US but when you realize that, at least when it comes to certain technologies, control can be a good thing.

People who choose Apple products know that Apple controls many aspects (including the look and feel) while other companies let users customize and modify to their desire. Some people value freedom, others value a certain level of control when it comes to their technology. And others value a balance of both and I believe Apple's lesson lies in finding that balance of freedom and control within their products which will result in even more content and satisfied customers.

answered Jun 29 '10 at 17:48

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I have the same feelings about my device and apps I've purchased. Apple is going to learn this creates tremendous consumer backlash, and if they haven't got that picture yet they will as they exercise some of those 45 pages of rights and restrictions in the EULA.

**Amazon.com** got into a mess when they sold a book title, got hassled by the publisher, and without notice or approval, summarily deleted the content from all Kindle devices that contained it. It felt like they'd waltzed into my home and deleted software off my home computer -- it's an overstepping of bounds and is a wishy-washy area of law, it seems. Amazon ended up changing its future practices but all I remember is the negative feeling when I pulled up my Kindle content and saw that they had, in fact, yanked a title from my collection without notice.

The great irony of Amazon's behavior? They deleted copies of George Orwell's 1984. Life imitating reality...

More info: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html

answered Jun 29 '10 at 15:18

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edited Jun 29 '10 at 15:44


That... is... awesome. ACTUALLY that really sucks but that may be the most ironic thing I've ever heard, making it awesome in a way. Great book choice BTW.

(Jun 29 '10 at 15:23) kyle_on_the_radio kyle_on_the_radio's gravatar image

Where would the automobile industry be without Gear Heads? Where would Microsoft be if they weren't able to doctor the OS they modified into Windows? Where would Apple be if Xerox demanded back their GUI & OS?

(Jun 29 '10 at 15:30) r0bErT4u r0bErT4u's gravatar image

im starting to lose faith in apple, they are like some power hungry dictators. I jailbroke my ipod so i could break free of that..i never pirated apps or anything but yet apple will screw you if you bring on in for repair. same thing with flash...flash still makes up a huge portion of the web. apple talks about their products being revolutionary yet they hold us on a leash....heck im about to go buy an android phone if this keeps up.

answered Jun 29 '10 at 17:42

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I agree with mosesd...

To add to that, why do you peeps BUY the phone, THEN hate on it? I don't get it. Did you not look into your product before buying it? Everyone knows Apple keeps close tabs on their products. As for me?.. I love my Windows products, but I have an iPhone as well. I can appreciate that even WITH their tight controls, some crapware and scammers are still getting through the system. I can't imagine what it would be like if they just opened the floodgates to all publishers without some sort of approval system.

As for Apple's control in general? Coming from me, someone who repairs friends and families Windows PC's, I can TRULY appreciate a system that doesn't allow my Dad to install certain programs, and doesn't allow my Niece to change the system settings with flashy icons and "free" wallpapers. It simply DOES work for people who don't know what they hell they're doing. Apple protects non-technical people from themselves. Truly.

All n all, if you love the product, but don't like the terms, don't buy it! That IS obvious, isn't it?

answered Jun 29 '10 at 18:32

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I don't think anyone in this thread said they hate their iPhone, or Apple. One person said they're losing faith in Apple, but that's still a big leap from outright hatred.

(Jun 30 '10 at 02:21) ageekmom ♦ ageekmom's gravatar image

Do you enjoy the product, that is all that matter. Deal with the complaints, if you don't like it go buy a different phone.

answered Jun 30 '10 at 13:35

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The issue isn't the whether or not I like the product. The question is, Who owns it?, Privacy Rights Violated, etc.

(Jun 30 '10 at 13:39) r0bErT4u r0bErT4u's gravatar image

I support Android for these reasons. You can't just get onto an iPhone and start doing things with a Terminal. There is no such thing as a root permission. The iPhone is just a restricted platform. On Android, you can write an app with Python, Java, C, C++, etc. With the iPhone, it's all Objective-C, something developed BY APPLE. It's a scary thing.

answered Dec 06 '10 at 11:37

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I've talked with the apple support, and they mentioned that when you've bought the iPhone, it's your device, and you can do anything with it... including jailbreaking which of course breaks your warranty.

Source: Apple Support

answered Dec 06 '10 at 12:20

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ah, but that isn't the point. they are trying to stop the jailbreaking They disallow you from using what apps you want to have, and they have the power to remove apps remotely. I don't think that makes it truly yours

(Dec 06 '10 at 14:58) Tim Fontana Tim%20Fontana's gravatar image

If it was unlocked by default, that would be bad for the novice users. Apple has to lock it for the stupid users and if you want to unlock the potential, you'll probably know about JBing. It's not about privacy violated or whatever. You bought the phone knowing the consequences. It's not the same as a person stealing your device. You made a trade and you should know the terms and what the device is capable of or not.

(Dec 06 '10 at 16:03) حبيب الامين %D8%AD%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%A8%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%8A%D9%86's gravatar image

there needs to be an option, that allows you to remove the kill switch and lets your run your own apps. that is why I shall stick with android

(Dec 06 '10 at 16:26) Tim Fontana Tim%20Fontana's gravatar image
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