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So now Jailbreaking is legal over there.

I'm planing on getting an iPhone 4 soon, but I don't intend to jailbreak it.

The reason is that it doesn't have enough advantages. All cellular networks work fine in my country, and themes are childish and useless. Getting the apps for free is nice, but that's piracy, and they're so cheap anyways...

It's the time for Apple to release a version of iOS that does everything a jailbroken iPhone would do, so no one would want to do it. They have that power and they have been working on it. Jailbreaking is having less advantages each year.

There's wallpapers and folders now.

Besides, Jailbreaking promotes piracy.

How much time you think Apple.Inc will take until they make Jailbreaking useless?

And if you think there are advantages I'm not seeing, say so.

asked Aug 04 '10 at 08:31

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How are themes childish and useless? They are there, created by other people, to give you a new look and feel of the UI. There's plenty of people over 40 who use themes and they are very professional. If you don't like themes, then I guess you can just go back to completing tasks via command line. Oh yeah, I can tether my Internet via wifi, can you? I can control my phone from my computer, can you? I can see all my mail, SMS, Twitter, Calendar, and weather on my lock screen, can you? I can access my settings without leaving an app, can you? I can text while still in an app, can you? I can block ads, can you? I can download stuff from Safari, can you? I can go on for a long time.

answered Aug 04 '10 at 09:19

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That's a funny way to make enumerations. Generally, people use commas, but 'can you?' does the job.

Seeing information on the lock screen might be nice, in some situations. The rest is just futile.

By tether Internet via wifi, do you mean a portable hotspot, or am I missing the point?

Now you can send SMS without quitting an app, and I do really think themes are useless.

There are very adult and professional people using SciPhones too.

(Aug 04 '10 at 11:54) BrunoMCP BrunoMCP's gravatar image

Open your eyes, I have used commas. You'd be surprised how many people would love to have to not waste time unlocking the device, and opening each app to check all those things which would take around five minutes, when I can do it in less than five seconds. Yes, I did say a portable wifi hotspot. And no, you can't send a text message without quitting an app, you have to leave the app, then when you're done, open it again. Unless the developer implements sending a text from an app, which is just the in-app email sending layout. And you use an iPhone for three years, then tell me you rent bored with the same UI.

(Aug 04 '10 at 12:37) AppleHack23 AppleHack23's gravatar image

I can see you used commas, but that doesn't make your text less repetitive.

I said 'Seeing information on the lock screen might be nice'. But I think SMS and e-mail are enough, right? How many times do you need to check the weather? Why would I be surprised? Five minutes!? Maybe if you're using your toes.

I don't get your SMS problem. Just double click the home button. If your iPhone is too old, don't get angry at me.

If you get bored, play a game, or change the wallpaper. The iPhone UI is barely noticeable, and it's very well done.

Consider buying a stress ball, or go get pissed at some Android forum.

(Aug 05 '10 at 14:13) BrunoMCP BrunoMCP's gravatar image

Here's the reasons why,

You can use a software lock button incase your lock button breaks, You can change the sensitivity level of the touchscreen incase something goes wrong with your digitizer, Software home button click, Send text messages from within any app, Full blown multitasking, Adjust proximity sensor sensitivity, Quickly adjust your settings, Open an app from a double home button click, View all your information on the lock screen, Put as many icons as you want in your folders, home screens, and dock.

There are also a lot other reasons, but I have to go at this time.

answered Aug 14 '10 at 21:50

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I didn't know about those. Your iPhone screen must look terrible, with all that stuff. How do you see the software buttons and send the SMS without covering the current app?

What's people's problem with Apple's multitasking? "Full-Blown" multitasking, as you call it, probably fills the CPU and drains the battery.

Those may be features, but not "the reasons why". Unless you break the button. In that case it's a need. By the way, you don't have to answer, if I'm boring or annoying you.

(Aug 15 '10 at 18:56) BrunoMCP BrunoMCP's gravatar image

I'm not a jailbreaker, nor will I ever be, because what Apple gives me is enough for me. The government has no right coming in and trying to change something like that, because there are way more important issues that we need to focus on.

answered Aug 04 '10 at 08:36

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Some call it Jailbreaking, I call it modifying/tweaking. Like when someone buys a project car to work on, I tweak my gear. Notice, I said MY GEAR, that I paid for with MY HARD EARNED MONEY! So, for as long as there's a need to take back control of MY GEAR ... There will ALWAYS be a need to Jailbreak!

answered Aug 05 '10 at 14:23

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I don't think 'need' is the correct word. You don't NEED to Jailbreak. You would if the iPhone didn't work without it.

When you buy a phone, you apparently want it to make experiments, according to the car example, but most people just want it to work as advertised.

Sorry, but you forgot to mention why you 'need' it. Is it the themes? Do you NEED them?

(Aug 13 '10 at 07:16) BrunoMCP BrunoMCP's gravatar image

@BrunoMCP you havnt ever jailbroken..have you? trust me..you can do so so much more with a jailbroken iphone

(Aug 13 '10 at 19:30) SJP SJP's gravatar image

I know I can do a lot of things by jailbreaking. But the question is 'why'. I don't think most things mentioned here are that useful, unless you want your gadgets for experiments, instead of using them, which is fine, but I'm trying to see it from a regular user's perspective.

(Aug 13 '10 at 19:41) BrunoMCP BrunoMCP's gravatar image

To be honest....the average user does not need to jailbreak..in fact..the average user..or anybody for that fact..even needs an iphone....jail breaking is for those who want to maximize there usage of there expensive iphone..you haven't jailbroken so i dont think you would understand..but jailbreaking really opens up your iphone or ipod touch..i could make a long list of the great things you can do.

(Aug 13 '10 at 19:45) SJP SJP's gravatar image

It has been done. A good one, by NthDegree, for example. I just don't think I would take any advantage from it. But I definitely need an iPhone, and I will use every single feature. I opened this thread to confirm that, and I've not seen anything especially interesting. It seems that people just want to show the middle finger to Apple, like this r0bErT4u guy. Read his comment again and try to deny that he sounds obsessed. lol

(Aug 13 '10 at 19:58) BrunoMCP BrunoMCP's gravatar image

It has been done. A good one, by NthDegree, for example. I just don't think I would take any advantage from it. But I definitely need an iPhone, and I will use every single feature. I opened this thread to confirm that, and I've not seen anything especially interesting. It seems that [many] people just want to show the middle finger to Apple, like this r0bErT4u guy. Read his comment again and try to deny that he sounds obsessed with HIS GEAR. lol

(Aug 13 '10 at 19:59) BrunoMCP BrunoMCP's gravatar image

geeks like me just like to fully embrace our idevices..like i said before...cydia has hundreds of apps that will make your iphone do marvels...it truly enhances your iphone..if your not a tech person i wouldn't recommend it..but if you are..i would at least try it..it wont hurt one thing..jailbreaking is largly misunderstood..so i would spend a couple months on using a jailbroken device and researching things you can do with one before making your judgement..if your a hardcore geek like me..youll love it..but its not for everyone..like i said before.

(Aug 13 '10 at 20:07) SJP SJP's gravatar image
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I am a jailbreaker. Waiting for d new Spirit jailbreak for ios4.

answered Aug 04 '10 at 08:51

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I'm obviously no expert in Jailbreaking, but why use Spirit when you can use http://www.jailbreakme.com/ ?

They say you just have to open it on your iOS device, no apps needed.

(Aug 04 '10 at 12:03) BrunoMCP BrunoMCP's gravatar image

First, a list of advantages:

  • Remote access / Filesystem access

SSHd on your iPhone is awesome, it lets one remotely access the phone and have full access to the filesystem (though FUSE-SSHFS or SFTP).

  • Apps not available through App Store

Who wants to be restricted to Apple's choice of apps? On an OS X desktop, people often install Free/OSS apps through ports or such. Why should this not be possible on an iPhone? Jailbreaking makes this possible.

How about running software for SETI@home? Jailbreaking allows one to partake in distributed supercomputing.

  • Hacking / Customisation

Making the device yours, not just a customised Apple device. Copyright laws were made to restrict copying and/or performances not modifications of software you have paid for. This is why for example on games consoles, hacks such as Action Replay were deemed legal when tested in a court of law.

  • Alternate OS

In theory, one could emulate another OS within the iPhone or even hack a cooperative OS setup e.g. iOS/Linux. It's your hardware so why not?

Now, to kill a myth...

"Besides, Jailbreaking promotes piracy."

That is like saying Symbian promotes piracy or Android promotes piracy, simply because there are no app restrictions on those platforms.

Jailbreaking lets you use apps that cannot be supplied by the app store. Apple doesn't want JB'ing because it makes the phones less secure as not all content is then signed/validated by Apple, and it cuts into their revenue stream if someone wants all freeware apps - nothing to do with piracy.

Apple just want to run things Nazi-style, which is good for those Apple approves of but bad for those Apple denies access for.

answered Aug 04 '10 at 09:00

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It has everything to do with piracy because Jailbreaking is the only way to use pirated apps.

(Aug 04 '10 at 11:41) BrunoMCP BrunoMCP's gravatar image

Yeah, and pirated applications are a disgrace to the Jailbreak community. Hardly any Jailbreakees use that app anymore.

(Aug 04 '10 at 12:38) AppleHack23 AppleHack23's gravatar image

"Hardly any Jailbreakees use that app anymore."

What app?

(Aug 05 '10 at 14:01) BrunoMCP BrunoMCP's gravatar image

i will not reveal its name..but there is an app.. available from the repo that i will not reveal..that allows you to download cracked apps..lots of them without searching the internet ..it a disgrace and almost all jailbkreaking communities frown upon it

(Aug 13 '10 at 20:10) SJP SJP's gravatar image

Why use that app? You can just torrent cracked apps and add them to iTunes, right? I've tried once. They showed up on iTunes, but couldn't sync with the iPod touch I used, probably because it wasn't jailbreaked.

(Aug 14 '10 at 21:02) BrunoMCP BrunoMCP's gravatar image

No, for that you need another application which disables the signed application verification process. And yes, for that you need to be Jailbroken,

(Aug 14 '10 at 21:43) AppleHack23 AppleHack23's gravatar image

yep...the app i was talking about does just that..the repo for it is not in cydia at first...so i guess that helps...but i wouldn't say jailbreaking really tempts people to pirate apps....most people jailbreak for extra features and most will NEVER use cracked apps...and there are some the jailbreak just to pirate

(Aug 14 '10 at 22:00) SJP SJP's gravatar image

Also, repositories can be made by anybody, so don't take that cracked apps feature as something why you should Jailbreak, because I can make an app, make a repo, and do the exact same thing they did.

(Aug 14 '10 at 22:04) AppleHack23 AppleHack23's gravatar image

on that note...pirating is a very small portion of jailbreaking....piracy isnt what jailbreaking is about to most people..its about extending the functionality and customization of our devices far beyond what apple allows..it turns the iphone or ipod touch into an open system...if you like applehack23(im to lazy...but i think he would do it if you ask nicly) could write up a long list of tthings you can do with a jailbroken ipod.

things like

themes

lockscreen widgets :you can check things like twitter without having to typein your passcode

file manger

plugin for safari that lets you download things

sbsettings

mxtube :lets you download videos from youtube

tethering

sim unlock

the list goes on and on......

(Aug 14 '10 at 22:18) SJP SJP's gravatar image
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apple is against jailbreaking. i think the will never do it unless includeing a jailbreak is the only way for the iphone/ipod to survive.

answered Aug 04 '10 at 13:07

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I think you miss-understood.

Apple is including more features that were available only by Jailbreaking on the OS at every update.

I'm not saying they should just come jailbreaked. It wouldn't be called Jailbreaking that way, just default OS.

(Aug 05 '10 at 14:20) BrunoMCP BrunoMCP's gravatar image

I agree with those who stated things like "I bought it, so why not?" kind of statements. Seriously, if a consumer purchases something, it should be up to that consumer what he/she wants to do with the device. When you purchased your computer, you have the option whether or not to optimize it to your liking, no? I can add as much RAM, as big a hard drive, as expensive a graphics card, as much of a sound system, etc that I want to my computer, right? If I want to "jailbreak" my iPhone (I don't own one, don't too much care for them as I am free to do) then I should be allowed to. Don't post about "sensitive" subject matter in an "opinion" based question if you'll argue anyone who does not agree with your opinion. Now don't get me wrong. If you posted more along the lines of "I don't like the idea of jail breaking iPhones. Who's with me?" then I'd understand if you argued anyone opposed to that subject. When posting like you did ("asking" for opinions/people to express oppositions) expect an opposing opinion and quit arguing someone's opinion.

answered Aug 13 '10 at 23:35

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The idea of "I don't like the idea of jail breaking iPhones. Who's with me?" is useless. Who would care?

This is just about being worth Jailbreaking, so I can give my opinion and disagree as much as I want, like anyone else. Don't judge me for trying to have a simple debate.

I understand how you see my comments, just like those christians who ask atheists to prove atheism and them don't listen to the answers. That's not the case. Just because I asked for people's opinion, it doesn't mean I have to agree with them.

Besides, I didn't deny the existence of any given advantage, I just said most of them are useless to the regular user. Relax.

(Aug 14 '10 at 20:58) BrunoMCP BrunoMCP's gravatar image
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