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Please, someone show me the rules. I can't find them anywhere. I'm NOT saying that the fact that something isn't clearly stated in the rules grants permission to do it if it's wrong. But it's kind of odd to read the admins saying "we have rules here", when the only rules I see on the FAQ are "the content here is moderated by the community". I searched and there IS a question where many users state what rules should be applied. Is that it? So if I add my rule "No ponies should be allowed to drive drunk and crash into the computers of the Lockergnome.net users", it'll be "canon"? Suppose someone is new here, just got his account. He asks a valid question, but is considered taboo and scary, so they just go at him saying "we have rules [closed]". Well did you explain the rules to him? How can we get along if those boundaries are known only to people who've been here for a while already? The FAQ clearly says discussions should be done in the comments section of each answer. That's pretty much everything I could find about "content regulation". If there is a "Rules" section, please someone just point me in that direction and I'll shut my mouth already :). If there isn't, please make one that's easily accesible on the site, and clear enough so that us users can follow. "Avoid debates" is really ambiguous. I know it's not a democracy here, but I really think it would be beneficial to the community if things like these cleared up as soon as possible. And it would give admins the necessary tool for moderating "illegal content". Thank you.
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The question has been closed for the following reason "Matter will be resolved later." by Alastor Moody Oct 29 '10 at 16:42
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I must agree here. It isn't fair to the moderators to have to moderate without anyone knowing the rules. If the rules are readily available, users who want to be compliant will be able to find them. If the rules aren't readily available, whether or not a user wants to be compliant the rules won't be readily available to point to. The options are:
I want to be a conformant, model citizen. Help me by telling me where I can find the rules. If there are no formal rules currently, I would suggest:
Where it gets difficult is the issue of karma. There's an expensive item up for grabs for the first person who reaches 100,000 KP, and some people will seek to get there illigitimately. They know who they are, before they even register. I'd love to propose the following suggestion, which I'd love to see become a rule if the feature request here makes it into the main trunk: Provide feedback for all of your votes. This would make incredibly obvious the people who are karma farming or otherwise encouraging people to vote or voting carelessly with the intent of personal gain. This is exactly what I mean. Thank you for taking the time to write this. 1
Try taking a look around, Seb. There is no "banning at will" going on here. In the entire time this site has been open, I have MAYBE suspended 20 people total, and most of those were karma farmers. I think I have banned less than five people for being jerks. I'm not so sure why you are all fired-up to have a list of rules posted. If me (or one of my administration team such as Fogarty or Alastor) closes a thread or asks a member to stop doing something, there's a good reason for it. It doesn't have to be "OMG YOU BROKE A RULE." If you people insist you cannot function as mature individuals without a set of written rules, then so be it. I'll have them on the site tomorrow. The flaw in your logic, though, is that most people will never bother to read them. 1
I notice you're mad at me Kat, my intention wasn't giving you more work to do, I'm sorry if I said anything that offended you in any way. I clearly said on my main post's second sentence that this was not meant to justify behavior considered as wrong, but to help the community grow as a whole. If, you calling me an immature individual, is what is needed to have a decent set of rules around here, so be it, I'm glad to be taking one for the team. Show me where I called you immature, Alekz? I guarantee I did not. I'm also not angry at you. I'm frustrated, yes, but not because of "you." I apologize if it seemed that way. I have felt from the beginning that this site didn't need a written set of rules. With the members helping to "police" each other, we never needed them. I rarely close threads. If I do, I try to explain clearly why I did so and you can bet it's a darn good reason. The members here know how to find me if there's a problem I need to take care of. Since I work about 12-14 hours each day, I'm pretty easy to get ahold of. ;) If you guys really feel there needs to be written rules, I will add them. I still honestly don't think we NEED them, guys and gals. You all have done a great job at reminding each other when to be appropriate. That's all I ask, really. Don't be mean or rude to each other. Don't talk about illegal crap. Don't bring up pr0n, disturbing material, etc etc. Don't spam. That's pretty much it, and the written rules won't be much different from that - it'll just be more "official." "If you people insist you cannot function as mature individuals without a set of written rules" I didn't think you'd be referring to anyone else but Seb and me as it's his answer and my comments lol, but OK I give you the benefit of the doubt, sorry for the misinterpretation. Do what you think it's best for everyone. I was referring to the site as a whole, not singling you out. If I had been, I'd have said "YO! Alek and Seb! Shaddup!" :p Good answer :D
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Here is just a small list of rules and may be revised and added if necessary... You cannot be abusive to others, talk in caps, discuss anything illegal or defamatory, or start a "fight". You must speak English, and not use any explicit or offensive language. Additionally, no karma farming (or even karma downing) by using other user accounts to vote your questions/answers up. This can be reviewed anytime and caught to be karma karma farming will be subtracted karma or possible ban from the site. IP addresses / suspicious activity continue to be logged. No spamming or advertising on the site, links to personal sites are not allowed (myspace/facebook/youtube) and are considered to be spam. . See http://lockergnome.net/questions/72261/spamming-rules-and-irreverent-links-to-referral-sites for more info... No Posting of offensive/abusive/inappropriate content. If it is even remotely inappropriate, don't post it here. No discrimination on this site. Do not post something that is a copyright violation (hackintosh, pirating, etc...) and violates the terms of service. If the same question is asked from a previous post, it will be closed and set as a duplicate question. Question can be closed if it is (but not limited to) outdated, right answer was chosen, Too subjective and argumentative, and off topic and not relevant. Once a question is closed, it is to not be still discussed... Keep in mind that a Moderator has the higher word, and the admin has the last word, and please do not argue with their judgement. 1
Actually, the Administration has the last word. If something a moderator does is challenged, I can overturn it if necessary. ;-) I was just using the chat rules on that part Referring to other questions and posting your own set of rules does not help. What I mean is these rules should be revised by the admins and posted in a special section of the site (like next to the FAQ and About section). Rules = logic, positive attitudes, and non-trollish/childish behavior. Follow those philosophies on any website or real life for that matter, you wont have trouble. Alaster Moody, being considered a troll shouldn't be a bad thing. I've found myself playing the devil's advocate role in the past, and being accused of trolling. Without a devil's advocate, this community would lack diversity. For the record, I didn't choose this as my official answer. I really look forward to know what the whole community thinks before someone closes this. Please don't close this yet :) Alekz, I have been on this site for a really long time (since this site was called test.lockergnome.net) and even some moderators. I know the things being done here and know the rules. even though I am not an admin, I do know the rules and the necessity of an action if a rule is broken. 2
You have to speak english in order to participate here?? really? that seems a bit prejudice to me... Just derived from the chat room ah. blah blah, fill up characters. Actually, yes. You have to speak English here. I am not biased towards other countries/nationalities/languages... but I work far too many hours a day as it is. can you imagine if I had to translate a ton of non-English posts just to make sure the content follows rules? Please, no. English only. :)
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I think it's pretty much like the GeekShed, but a little less strict. It's kind of like "Lord of the Flies" in here with all the youngsters. Kat, Fogarty, and Alastor Moody are pretty much the LAW in here =0p... 1
If those are all the rules we have, they don't seem to be working very well in my opinion. The premise of a self-regulated community is broken here, at least in practice :/ 1
Do your part in FOLLOWING the rules, then you can worry about regulating them. 2
OK man I get it, you have the power. Geez. If I ask questions and make comments like these it's because I care about the community. If I didn't care I'd just be quiet. Questioning authority is not a bad thing if both parts understand what constructive criticism means. Lord of the Flies LockerGnome Style =0p... 1
Let's remember that "community moderated" is NOT what you guys are interpreting it as. The people who earn enough karma here have the power to close and edit threads. They cannot suspend or remove anyone. They cannot take away or grant karma. They are simply people who can help to shape the way discussions progress - or don't progress. This is "content moderation." The actual moderation (of MEMBERS) comes from myself, Fogarty and AlastorMoody. |
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If I close a thread I state exactly WHY it is closed. That should be all that is needed. Content here is moderated by the community - to an extent. I am always around, and read every comment, question and answer on this site. If something is felt to be inappropriate or against the things that we feel is "right" for this community, it will be shut down with an explanation.
Once a thread is closed.. that means NO MORE DISCUSSION is to be done within it. As I have stated publicly here many times, you can always email me to clarify or discuss something. (kat@lockergnome.com)
As Kevin pointed out below, we do have rules in writing here. If they need to be made more prominent or added to, I will happily do so.
lol.. ok guys, I can see someone very important seems to be getting distressed about this. It's not just Kat's community; lg.net is ours too! Lets take this opportunity to help her, help us make the rules. Post the rules that you believe people should follow. Try to be as correct as possible in terms of punctuation, usage, spelling and grammar. This will make it easier for all of us. Read others answers, and vote upon those you agree with. Most of those voted upon are likely to be rules that we're all willing to follow.
The rules are already decided on. They will be written up all purty, and posted later on today. Thanks, though. :)
your joking right? we don't need set in stone rules, all we need is courtesy and consideration for other members of the community
No, I'm not joking. There have always BEEN "set in stone" rules here, they just weren't published. Now they will be. :)
oh? i thought it was just common courtesy. I knew trolling and karma farming were against them, but I didn't know there were proper ones set in stone